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| boys36 |
Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids This is going to seem crazy but I have been thinking about this for awhile and wanted to see what all of your opinions are about this. How come when it comes to addiction (of any kind) most people feel that you should never ever give up on your children but with the spouses it is a whole different story? The majority of advice seems to be IMO if its a child to never give up but when its a spouse the advice is to go, to run. I am wondering about this because I have both in my life. An addict daughter. An addict husband. (alcoholic) I am not going to give up on either of them but it kind of seems unfair to me that my daughter had to move out while in active addiction and my husband gets to stay. Does that make any sense?? I mean we made her move out because of her addiction and here I am sitting with my hubby day in and day out while he drinks and is in denial. This was just something that I want opinions on. Why do you think the advice is different pertaining to ones child and ones spouse?? Cause our kids are our kids forever and men/women can come and go? Has anyone else dealt with an addict child and an addict spouse? Did you deal with both the same way? Different? Wondering what anyone else did in the same situation. Alisa |
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| Sfj |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids I think that it is the way you use, or define the phrase, "Give up on them." There are certainly many ways that phrase can be used, understood, misunderstood, abused, and defined. One cannot divorce a child. We all have different feelings and we use our feelings when we embrace definitions.
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| le grumps |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids Wow. That is a GOOD QUESTION. I need to think about that one! I'll come back with an opinion soon!
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| Loraura |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids We have the ability to chose who our spouses are. We do not have that choice about our children.
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| TenderheartsKS |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids Quote: I guess my question to you is, why make
the daughter move out while the hubby gets to stay?
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| Sfj |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids I'm not certain, but this whole thread seems a bit off topic to me, but since we don't have a real OT forum anymore, I'll jump in and see what happens. I admit that my case may be the exception on this forum, but I don't think it is an exception for the American population. Please inform me if I'm incorrect. I married a wife, and made a vow to stay with her till one of us dies. I also know that half of the married people get divorced. Any comments on that? I have four kids that are still living. The older two left home when they were teens. I think Karie was about eighteen and Robert was younger but he went into the army. My two younger boys are still at home. They are twenty-five and twenty-six. Now then, my question is, "How old do they have to be before I kick them out?" This whole notion of kicking people out is perplexing to me. I see wives wanting to kick out their husbands on this forum. I see husbands wanting to kick out wives. Parents wanting to kick out children and on and on it goes. The whole world seems hell-bent on controlling others. I guess I'm missing something in life. I and my family members actually like each other. Are we freaks? |
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| sierranights |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids Quote: Yep, me too. I was welcome to stay at home
as long as I wanted to. I also had the freedom to leave when I
wanted. Same with my son. Quote: Us too. See, I do like my son and he likes
his mommy. We talk, we laugh and we have even cried together. He
does what he does. I cannot control that. He is an adult. Alls I
can do is try to show him how it's hurting him. And hurting him
it is.
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| Sfj |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids To sierranights, Thanks for the post. I like what you said. I often use the phrase, "meth gets too much credit." If it were all the fault of meth, my family would have been dissolved long ago. I'm just as convinced as ever that the problems are much deeper than meth addiction, but people avoid the real problems and focus on meth addiction. Not that meth addiction isn't a real problem, because it certainly is. But when the other problems are ignored, and meth is the only focus of attention, meth comes out the winner. "Meth gets too much credit."
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| neverending |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids SFJ you said: "I see wives wanting to kick out their husbands on this forum. I see husbands wanting to kick out wives. Parents wanting to kick out children and on and on it goes. The whole world seems hell-bent on controlling others." Maybe I am reading this incorrectly, but because I choose to not live w/ a drug addict I am controlling him? Because I choose not to live w/ a drug addict that is sometimes in recovery and sometimes not that I am controlling him? And yes, I did have mine kicked out. Why the hell should I have to uproot myself and kids? I look at it that I am controlling my own life and serenity.
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| Sfj |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids To neverending, Right, and for you, that is how it is. About half of America agrees with you.
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| sierranights |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids Sfj, thanking you, *blushes* I do have to agree with you that meth does get way, way to much credit. My son has issues that he refuses to deal with. I know this. Bury it with the drug. That, in my opinion, is what he is doing. If I could get him to get professional help and face life on life's terms, he just might not want to do meth anymore. See, I'm thinking it's a whole lot the underlying issues in our lives. Not all the drug. If one does have to leave, then so be it. I very firmly believe you do what you have to do to survive. I wish I had a pocket full of answers to all this but I sure don't. Hopefully, together, we'll figure it out.
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| boys36 |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids In answer to your question Tenderheart about why my hubby is staying and my daughter had to go............... The house we are living in was bought and paid for by my husband long before we were married. It is NOT community property. I can't make him move out of his home that he bought and paid for before I was even in the picture. So it would be me that would have to leave.........not him. I am not ready to do this .......at all. I guess that is the reason he stays and she goes if that makes any sense??? How many of you here are dealing with an addict spouse and an addict child ?? Just curious. Alisa |
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| scaredmom |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids I love my boys and would have them close or at home forever BUT there are rules in our home. One rule is no drugs. Rules are good, consciences are good. You can not live in my house and do drugs. So if one of my children decide to do drugs then they are making the decision not to live here. I guess that is how I look at it. I am glad currently my boys are not doing drugs. One is at home and one is on his own. Kimberly
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| boys36 |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids I think I am just feeling a little resentful that my hubby could see my daughters addiction and he cant see his own. When he sits there and drinks a 12 pack at a time and talks about my daughter being addicted to drugs it makes me ill. Kettle calling the pot black. It is very hard having a daughter and a spouse as an addict. The relationships are so different that the solutions cant be the same. I cant come up with the solution anyway cause that is something they have to do ....for themselves. I think I am still with my hubby because of the mind set I had with my daughter. They are both someone I love. Leaving them doesn't seem a possibility. Either of them.. I guess sometimes I feel like addiction is a disease and if my hubby was diagnosed with terminal cancer I couldn't walk away .No more than I could walk away from my daughter. I am rambling now.............. Alisa |
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| lax2 |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids So Sfj, I am confused ... are you saying that if your son was shooting up meth or smoking it in the house you wouldn't have a problem with it. Would you set a rule as to whether he was permitted to use drugs in the house. Would you kick him out if he continued to use meth in the house? What if he only used it in the back yard? Would this be enabling his use? Are you in favor of enabling? I'm just curious as to your opinions on this subject...Don't in any way take offense, I think you are a great parent. I think your kids are fortunate to have a Dad whom they can talk to about anything. I know you love your kids unconditionally.
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silly veronica |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids Quote: I agree with this 100% - regardless of
whether it's your spouse or your child.
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| katelin24 |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids cosigned every single word sillyv says. she put it into words so much better than I could have, and so much more tactfully, too.
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| Sfj |
Re: Addiction: leave your
spouse, never your kids To sillyveronica, I 'll answer part of your questions. My other answers would be too boring. Yes, of course, sometimes divorce is indicated. What would you think If i told you I've been married four times and divorced three times? That's a fact. Two of the divorces were entirely my fault. IMHO. But sillyveronica, let me tell you why I post these "controversial opinions." It's to get people to talk to one another. Have you ever noticed how the "drama" threads get all the action in most cases? I'm not trying to create undo drama, just trying to get people talking. And some people won't say anything until they get annoyed, irritated, or emotionally upset in one way or another. Marymary1 has a good supply of worm cans that I've been borrowing ! |
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| Cindy Lou |
married
I will tell you something I learned from grandmas Bible study that I was apart of.. It was enough to confuse me... It is stated that you are married to the first person forever unless one of you are dead in Gods eyes.. If that is true, think of how many marriages are void? Not a holly war, just a puzzle to me.... Cindy Lou
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| Sfj |
Re: married
To Cindy Lou, No Bible says that. No Christian Bible anyhow.
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| Penel0pe |
Re: married
The thread began with a question about
living with addicts in the family. |
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