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Meth, porn, and another perspective
| Sfj |
Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
This is probably very
risky to attempt a post like this. How could I resist?
Meth is certainly a very dangerous chemical. In well over 99.99
percent of users it is harmful and even toxic. Medically
prescribed meth is so rare as to be almost irrelevant on a forum
like this although it does exist.
Meth stimulates. Period. That is what is does.
It stimulates the center part of brain. It stimulates the sex
drive in the vast majority of users. Empirical research has
indicated that there are some people who use meth who don’t get
sexually stimulated. I think I’ve met both of them. They also
may have been lying, I don’t know.
Many people, myself included, have sexual appetites that are
virtually insatiable, especially when using meth. Some of us
were given libidos by nature, God, heredity or whatever you call
it that are extremely high and reside in the upper percentiles
of the bell shaped curve. Others, who were given lower libidos
have difficulty understanding us and seem to be quick to judge
us as perverts and sex maniacs. That’s ok. It is quite common
for some folks to misunderstand and even erroneously judge
people who are different from themselves. Isn’t that what
prejudice is all about?
Meth and porn are made for each other. They stimulate the user
way past anything reasonable, logical, or healthy. They feed on
each other’s debauchery and decadence. They create a synergistic
nasty power that is self-perpetuating and skyrockets out of
control at a moment’s notice.
But porn by itself is another subject entirely. It is vicarious.
Vicarious means experienced or realized through imaginative or
sympathetic participation in the experience of another.
It is not real. It is fiction. It is entertainment. Just like
anything else, taken to extreme, it is unhealthy, dangerous,
degrading, and creates problems.
For the sake of this post, I’m going to use the term “Erotica”
and “Porn” interchangeably. That is because I want to avoid the
more dirty and sicko, or illegal forms of porn for this thread.
Maybe at another time, but for now, let’s concentrate on the
‘milder’ form. The legal stuff that one can find easily at 7-11
or on the popular websites. Avoiding things like child porn,
scat, pedophilia, nonconsensual BDSM, and things I’d better not
mention.
OK?
Again, porn (visual erotica) is Vicarious. It is a viewing
activity. It is not reality. It is fiction. It is a form of
visual sensuality meant to entertain. Is it degrading? I really
don’t agree with that notion any more than I’d agree with the
notion that Dr. Phil is degrading to men. He is. BTW, I like Dr.
Phil, but what man in reality could possibly live up to the
image and expectations that he broadcasts a few times a day in
every market in the USA.
Image? Are you kidding. Here’s this big overweight, bald-headed,
filthy rich, Texas drawl, Hollywood Celebrity, telling normal
guys like us how we need to be more sensitive to our wives.
Gimme a break - PUH – LEASE. Who on earth can measure up to that
guy’s standards? Why is his audience ninety per cent women?
Because men get slammed, admonished, scolded, reprimanded, and
embarrassed by Dr. Phil. But again. I still like his show. But I
also find porn entertaining.
How about “Chick Flicks?” So called “Romantic Comedies?” Aren’t
those degrading to men? If you ask a woman she will say “NO OF
COURSE NOT.” But how on earth can any man live up to the roles
that some of those guys play. Starting with Fred Astair, Rock
Hudson and then those of a couple decades ago, “Sleepless in
Seattle” or “Ghost.”
I consider those to be as trashy as many movies I’ve seen on the
porn screen, and whole lot less entertaining.
Vicarious entertainment for me is NFL Football and NASCAR and
F-1. I can’t get enough. I don’t have to feel bad that I can’t
run as fast as Deon Sanders, throw like Joe Montana, hit like
Ronnie Lott or catch like Jerry Rice. I’m not accusing Jeff
Gordon, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, or Michael Schumacher of
trying to degrade me. It is vicarious entertainment. Just like
porn.
Talk about humiliating, Did you ever see the size of some of
those male porn actors. We’re talking about serious intimidation
here. Elephantitis of the groin. Women have nothing to fear when
it come to size of breasts.
Half a century ago, sex was a totally different situation than
it is today. The standards, morals, conventions, practices,
laws, and public opinion have been forever changed by birth
control and the sexual revolution it caused.
Is there evidence that porn makes the viewer more distant? Of
course not. I can publish findings that say the opposite. No
problem. The most commonly quoted statistic that I’ve seen is
that about fifty percent of us watch or look at porn, either
occasionally or on a regular basis. I don’t believe that
statistic either, quite frankly. But I could be wrong. I think
it is higher.
I’d better stop and wait for some replies. |
| Replies... |
Naiev
Newlywed |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
Just want to add...
I did a little research on this awhile back, as I couldn't
understand the sex / porn addiction my husband acquired only
after he started slamming meth. When he was smoking it, he was
'manageable'.
So just to add some info - research studies show that one hit of
meth intravenously (for males) is equal to the same sensation of
10 orgasms on top of one another that can last anywhere from 15
- 30 minutes.
Yes his sex drive was very high while smoking, but became more
perverted when slamming. I know now why (from a scientific
standpoint.) |
| Loraura |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
SFJ -- what is it exactly
that you feel Dr. Phil suggests you do as a good husband, that
you feel is an unreasonable standard to live up to? |
| Sfj |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
To NN,
Absolutely,
I agree with you NN.
That is the nature of addiction.
The addict mentality says,
“If one is good, two is better and ten is what I’ll settle for.”
(temporarily)
Same with any addiction.
If one drink is good, two is better.
If a beer is good, a twelve pack is better.
For gamblers, if a slot machine is good, a slot machine,
roulette wheel and blackjack table is better.
Over eaters, if one slice of cheese cake is good, two is better,
getting the whole thing in a take out box is even better.
That is “Classic Addict” (t) |
| khalamity |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
I agree with SFJ on all
points here. Especially the Dr Phil thing. Dr Phil is selling
ideals that are virtually unrealistic. Sure, there are plenty of
men out there that can and do fit into the mold he is trying to
create. However, we are a very gendered society, and I'll be
damned if my husband will ever take on the womanly role in our
home, or even be more sensitive... if he did, he would probably
be called a fag or be referred to as chain whipped by his
friends and peers. Not saying that is wrong.. it just isn't
going to happen.
Dr Phil has women viewers because he tells us what most women
WANT TO HEAR... lots of women wish they had a man as warm and
logical as Dr Phil... but the majority of men in the USA are
pigs... (that's a good thing). He sells to a primarily female
market, and that is precisely what he is doing.. selling. |
| Sfj |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
To Loraura,
I could answer two ways,
1. A straight answer in keeping with the thread. He says that
men shouldn’t view porn. (rather a simple answer, I admit)
2. A question for a question.
Does he (Phil) approve of Larry Flynn or Hugh Hefner, who are
extremely successful and very good at what they do?
Do they publish what "you feel is an unreasonable standard to
live up to?"
P.S. Don't take any of this too seriously. I don't. |
| Loraura |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
Se, SFJ, I hear something
different when I hear Dr. Phil.
I hear him say that for a man who's wife is hurting because he
views porn, and wants to know how to save his marriage, that the
answer is -- don't view porn.
I don't hear him say no man should ever. Perhaps that is an
assumption some make. I haven't made that same assumption.
I hear him say people should respect each other if they plan to
stay together, and that seems pretty simple to me.
I hear him give a logical suggestion to a problem that was
brought to him for his review and advice.
I have no idea what Dr. Phil thinks of Mr. Flynn or Mr. Hefner.
To my knowledge they haven't come to him for help with their
relationship problems.
Not all women have a problem with their husbands viewing porn
and taking *cough* action into their own hands, so to speak.
Some encourage it. Some hate it, but accept it. Some will leave
a relationship over it. (Some will stay and argue forever over
it, which is a another issue).
Are you SURE he says all men shouldn't view porn?
Or is it that he says Men in relationships with women who are
hurt enough to be drawing lines about it, should not view porn
if they want their relationship to be different than it is right
now without leaving it? |
Rachel
sue76 |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
Quote:
How about “Chick Flicks?” So called
“Romantic Comedies?” Aren’t those degrading to men?
Aren't they degrading to all of us? They
are of the mentality that you fall in love usually after some
stupid drama and then life is forever wonderful after that.
I don't actually know that degrading would be the word that I
would use. It is more like encouraging unrealistic expectations.
Quote:
Talk about humiliating, Did you ever
see the size of some of those male porn actors. We’re
talking about serious intimidation here. Elephantitis of the
groin.
Why is it that men, no matter how well
endowed, are worried about the size of another penis and how
theirs measures up in comparison? You can use the whole breast
thing but I don't actually worry about the size of another
woman's breasts so I seriously do not get it. |
| Sfj |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
Actually, I don't know.
I admit I made an assumption.
I could be wrong.
But like I said earlier, I watch Dr. Phil. I like his show.
I also like the preferences of Larry and Hugh. |
| Loraura |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
Quote:
Actually, I don't know.
I admit I made an assumption.
I could be wrong.
So could it be possible that a spouse who
is dead set against their mate watching porn is also making
assumptions about what they think about, and how they perceive
the porn actors and actresses?
Could they be making assumptions about if their partner is
making direct comparisons to what they see in porn, and what
they see in the bedroom?
Could they make the assumption that the porn is not "additional"
stimulation for their partner, but is instead "alternative,
preferred" stimulation to intimacy as a couple? |
Jamie
J1979 |
Re: Meth, Porn, and another perspective.
When I did porn one of
the popular male porn stars had to inject himself with some kind
of "drug" that made him stay hard. I don't know what kind of
drug he used, but it wasn't a get high drug. He injected it
right into the groin area, weird? I also met guys with penis
implants. Illusion is what porn is all about, nowadays most of
what you see isn't what you really get. The people really don't
look as good as they do on the cover in real life. Their body
parts aren't real. It's a real strange business. When I was
doing porn I was smoking speed, not all the time but I recall
many sitting in my car smoking it before doing a scene. Speed or
X, I don't think I would've been able to do it without the
drugs. It's weird that I totally forgot about using speed while
doing porn until right now. I hate how drugs have ruined my
memory. |
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