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| LionFreq |
Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
I have been diagnosed with ADHD and am prescribed Adderall XR. I don't, however, think my doctor would have prescribed it for me if I had told him that I was smoking, snorting, eating ice for 6 months. My question is, can Adderall produce the same negative physical effects that ice does. Should I stop taking it and pursue a non-amphetamine ADHD medication? As you can tell, I am not very educated on all this. Newbie to the forum as well. Thanks
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| le grumps |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Welcome to the forum Lion! You should definitely tell your doctor that you were/are using speed. If you are still using, a lot of the disorganization, and all that is a result of the meth use. My mom takes Adderall and complains that when she runs out or needs another dose, she feels run down. I don't think it's to the same extreme as meth. One of the folks on this forum uses Adderal, perhaps she can tell you more. I used Adderall as a way to wean off of meth. That was definitely not the correct way to use it. Amphetamines are amphetamines, and if you are using meth now, adderral is not going to be much help. Amphetamines are amphetamines, and it's the dose that really makes the difference. |
| Penelope |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
I imagine you could abuse it the way you abuse anything else. Use it as directed, and see how it goes.
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| RancidOne |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Where I'm confused is... Are you actively using? If so you shouldn't be worried about the doc prescribing you adderall, you should be worried about putting down the dope. The adderall won't do @#%$ for you if you are still getting high on meth. A lot of the add symptoms will greatly lessen once you have some clean time under your belt. If you truly do have ADD, then yes, a lot of the symptoms will remain. I'm holding off on going to the doc for ADD meds until I have more clean time on my side to be sure I get the right treatment. (that and when i called the mental health clinic they said they don't treat ADD And I don't have insurance.)
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| Penelope |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Quote:Have you considered calling back and asking again? You may have just gotten a hold of some Lop with his head up his butt - that makes no sense to me!
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Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
I take adderal and it makes the difference between whether I sit around all day just THINKING about things to do, or if I actually get things done during the day. I used meth for 25 years, and I have used adderal for about 6 months. I can tell you first hand that adderal is not methamphetamine. Never has been, never will be. It is a stimulant that stimulates the areas of my brain that controls my ability to stay focused and stay on task, my memory is more clear, and I no longer constantly change topics in the middle of sentences. Meth does not stimulate these same areas of my brain. I can sleep on it, eat on it, and go without it for days without having withdrawals. I do not have mood swings on adderal, but I do have them severely when on meth. I can FEEL happy, sad, or lonely, and I couldn't with meth. It is sort of like comparing apples to oranges as far as I am concerned.
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| LionFreq |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Thanks for all the great feedback. In reference to some of the replies, no, I am currently not using. I have put the dope down and seriously plan on keeping it that way. It has been 19 days since I last used. When I was using, I would frequently have the problem of my skin itching (feeling like I had bugs crawling on me). I also had hallucinations when I stayed awake for extended periods of time. Previously the Dr. had me on 30 mg of Adderall (taken once in the morning). Last week he increased to 30 mg twice a day. When I take the increased dosage, I start to have that same skin crawling thing. The Adderall does truly help my focus and I am able to eat / sleep etc. Although, when I take the double dose I am not able to sleep. My concern is...why is the Adderall making me skitz? Or is because I have only been clean for 19 days? Thanks again!
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| Mary Mary |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
I was thinking the same thing too because ADD is a mental illness. But it could be that they don't have the right kind of staff to diagnose it.
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suzette |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
it doesn't for me. we're practically related! *hugs* ...I snorted, smoked, and ate meth for 22 years because I didn't know I was adhd. you might try to abuse it.. ...but you soon realize if you do, you are loosing your days of focus. it's not the same drug. no matter how much adderrall you take. ....it's NOT meth. I won't become meth in mass quantities. It doesn't effect me the same way. my family is happy with my behavior, not pissed off. like pen said, try it and see.
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| MizRicochet |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
First of all....no, Attention Deficit Disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder have not to this day been officially classified as a mental illness or brain disorder. Any responsible mental health clinic will admit they don't treat anyone for ADD/ADHD, because they haven't been classified as an illness or true disorder yet. Second, if any mental health professional did treat a person for ADD/ADHD, knowing it hasn't been classified as a illness or disorder can be treated with stimulants, then they could face lawsuits from many who are being diagnosed as ADD/ADHD for malpractice. Third, if you go into all the scientific research of stimulant drugs such as methylphenidate (Ritalin) and amphetamine (Dexedrine, Adderall), you will find that the companies that manufacture these drugs are the same people who are behind funding these research labs. There are no independent research labs to this day that has put these drugs to a test. Fourth, and this is what has really ticked me off. There has been such an increase of children in the United States, mostly of Hispanic and American Black cultures, who have been diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. Whites and Asians have a substantial lower diagnosis of these so called disorders. Out of those diagnosis's, the majority of them are boys. On a personal level, both my brother and I were diagnosed with ADHD when we were children. My brother was the one that was prescribed Ritilan. He was the zombie and didn't have a social life with playmates. I was very alert (hyperactive) and had a social life with my playmates. What my brother and I did have in common, was poor concentration, not being able to stay on task, had low grade scores in school, disruptive at times and we basically kept adults running for their money. We were a pair of sticks of dynamite together. As we became adult, my brother chose to use Adderall (a legal speed), prescribed by a doctor. On the other hand, I chose to use nicotine, heroin, acid, bennies, crack, and crank (all illegal speeds), from the streets. Both my brother and I managed our behavior with speed....no matter what name it came by. However, as in our case, we were both speed freaks and addicted to them the same. Along with our addiction, we both experienced the same negative reactions that all speeds can induce a human's brain or body. There is not one speed, rather it is produced in a legal lab or street lab, that doesn't produce the same negative reactions. Also, after we both stopped using our choice of speed, we have found that we developed problems that never existed when we were first diagnosed with this so called ADHD. Furthermore, we have both been diagnosed with having Neurtransmitter Disorder, which is a damage of the sensory response between the brain and nerves, and is a direct result of speed use. Then, when my oldest daughter was labeled ADD and then my youngest son was labeled ADHD, I pulled out the stops and didn't allow them to be medicated with any stimulant. I used a behavior modification technique, that helped them learn how to improve their own concentration and help them to learn how to control their own impulsive behaviors. They are doing well with this. And, I think the reason why I was so determined to not allow the Ritilan and Adderall propaganda (which is the reason why there is such an increase is misdiagnosing of ADD/ADHD), is that I didn't believe that my children should be drugged up to fit in with what the mainstream of society thinks they should. Now, getting back more to the original topic at hand: Quote: This is my personal response, not a
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suzette |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
you have a lot to say about something you apparently know nothing about. until you feel the frustration of inability to hold a thought long enough to complete a task. THEN you tell me it's not a disorder.
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| Mary Mary |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Maybe a little wording makes a difference. ADD/ADHD IS a mental disorder. You may need to recheck the DSM-IV to make sure. Do you know how many plain M.D's diagnose and treat ADD/ADHD?
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suzette |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
under "mental disorders" at psych central we put the disorder in mental!
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| MizRicochet |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Did you not read that I was diagnosed as a child with ADHD? That I have struggled with feeling the frustration of inability to hold a thought long enough to complete a task? That I have had two children diagnosed (one with ADD and one with ADHD) as such and watched them with the same struggles? The above reason as well as all the research I have done for many many years about this through organizations, many medical professionals, as well as mental health professionals....is the reason why I say so much about it. So, please don't attack me personally, by telling me that I don't know unless you have walked in my shoes, too. I am not about to classify Attention Deficit or Attention Deficit Hyperactivity as a mental illness or brain disorder by it's self, when even the American Mental Health Association doesn't do it...but states that Attention Deficit or Attention Deficit Hyperactivity accompanies other mental or health disorders that are classified as such. But, that wasn't what his original questions were about. He was asking if Adderall and Meth produced the same negative physical effects. There are clear cut indications that this is true. Even from the drug company that makes Adderall, you can get a list of the side effects and events and see for yourself that they both have the same negative side effects. Second of all, he was asking for medical advice on rather to stop or keep taking Adderall, which should not be given by any one of us, as we are not physicians or mental heath professionals...abd what if he does keep taking it or stop taking it, based upon what someone here says to him, and it screws brain or body, or worse yet, causes him to die? I was simply giving information based upon my personal knowledge and experience, telling him how I feel PERSONALLY about it, gave him the url addy so he could read what the negative side effects are of Adderall...most of all, I wanted to help him to learn how to do research on his own, so he can make a informed choice along with his doctor.
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mething around |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
My 16 year old off ADHD meds : Depressed, suicidal, cutting, flunking, violent, insecure, reclusive, dark and scary. On 54mg of Concerta ( non stimulant ) he is: happy , making better grades, sweet, loving friendly, outgoing, organized , helpful, etc. .......... I thank God for his doctor and the team of all of us stepping in to help this young man have a chance at life. I no longer care to argue whether or not adhd exists. No one wants to give their child unnecessary meds. This was our last choice and I wish it would have been our first. Not all meds are created equal. My son had bad side effects from Adderall but Concerta is working wonderfully. Do tell your Dr. about the drug use. You can't give half an answer and expect to get appropriate care.
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suzette |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
lets have a look at what the mental health ass. says...shall we? not that I care. ....but if anyone would like to get technical lets do it.
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| Mary Mary |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
I know. In school, before a child can receive any type of special education services, they must fall within the guidelines of a disabling condition and ADD/ADHD is one of them.
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mething around |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Also, good for you on having 19 days off meth. Like Miz R. said, you owe it to yourself to research this and make an informed choice on your own care. It will be much easier on you off meth. Spend some time here. That is what this is for.
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suzette |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
I didn't mean to attack you.....I'm sorry. I was a speed freak, before i knew what adderrall was. meth wrecked my f*cking life, but allowed me to connect the loose wires in my head to draw and create. adderrall is my only hope.....I can draw now, my family is pleased with my behavior. it is my saving grace. I got defensive just like you were attacking something i believe in and i do. I also got defensive that you seemed to be saying what I'm going thru is like a thing i made up.. .....which would also be a depersonalization disorder, or psychotic episode in itself. I'm sorry again. ..I'm very passionate about telling people before they waste their life on meth ...that there are legal solutions. and your post went against the very reason I'm here. however.. you got my mind off my problems with it and I send you all my love. peace
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| katelin24 |
Re: Is Adderall as bad as Ice?
Is that kind of like stubbing your toe to forget your broken arm? glad it worked so well.
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