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| Juliett55 |
How to support an addict without sounding
sorry for him? Dear recovering addicts and their loved ones, I have a question for you: What were the most helpful words to you from your loved ones when you were just seeking help. My addict is trying to get help right now and I feel that he has a good chance this time. He is communicating more consistently (right now) and even when he doesn't answer, later on I find out how much that meant to him. But today I'm at a loss. I'm learning that a supporter may sound like he or she is sorry for the addict and that is very demeaning.....especially for a male addict.... How do I give support and not sound sorry????? Is saying, "my thoughts are with you" sounding sorry? Like he is weak or something? And, if I write about my own day is it going to take attention off of what he needs to concentrate on? Thank you all.
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Naiev Newlywed |
Re: How to support an addict without
sounding sorry for him? Here are some things I tell my husband: I tell him that I believe in him and I have faith in him. I tell him that he is worth loving and that he hasn't done anything that can't be forgiven in time. As far as:
I'm not sure what you mean by this. You
mean when you write to him while he's in rehab?
I've learned that the 'especially for a
male addict' is because they have a big problem checking their
macho ego at the door. |
| Barncats7 |
> Re: How to support an addict without
sounding sorry I recently wrote a list of things I admire (admired) about him. I titled it "Why I Respect You". I gave it to him, folded up, and said "keep this with you, you can look at it whenever you want to". Things really seemed to change in his personality. Men need to be respected. Women need to be loved. Bless you on your journey! Jayme
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| Juliett55 |
Thank you Thank you Newlywed. Yeah, I was talking about the "MALE EGO" for sure, I understand why they have it but how does one get around that? Esp. when he isn't strong, cause lying isn't that cool ether. When I said, "talking about my day", I meant acting normal, as "life goes on" or will that make him feel like I don't care about the seriousness of his position? He is not in rehab just is getting some psychological, and I probably AA, help.
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| Loraura |
Re: > Re: How to support an addict without
sounding s Most meth addicts in early recovery are going to take things personally that are not meant to be personal. It's a physical symptom of having lower than normal dopamine levels, which is caused by using meth. So IF he takes something "the wrong way" keep in mind that his brain chemistry imbalance may be tainting his ability to have an accurate perception of the world around him.
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| Juliett55 |
great Great idea about the list... thank you
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| Iselita |
i am trying to figure that out
with my hubby it's like even if i say i love him he gets mad his Mexican machismo is far out there. the only time i can communicate is when he was sober
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Naiev Newlywed |
Re: i am trying to figure that out
IMO - putting your 'life' aside and not talking about it to tiptoe around his means that you are still trying to take care of HIM and not YOU. As far as the macho ego bullshyt....like I said - hubby was afraid he would appear 'weak', would be deemed a 'sissy' by other men if he showed emotion or affection. It just happened - not sure how - but he says he's whipped now. Someone told me something that I relayed onto him - @#%$ whipped is the best whipping there is. I think once he realizes / admits that he is powerless - the rest will happen.
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| Barncats7 |
Re: i am trying to figure that out
Hmmm... Interesting interpretation! I have (keyword here) been in the pits of despair and lost hope only to find my faith in Jesus Christ and come alive once more. I had tried everything else even after being on this board over a year. I believe 'time' is relevant. Some of us take longer to come out of denial. I'm working my way up with the grace of my Higher Power and His will for my life. If, in the 'meantime', my life is more pleasant telling my loved one of 34 years what I respect about him and that I love him and that I thank God everyday for him, works "for the 'now'" than so be it. I work on 'me', not him. I participate in Celebrate Recovery and I am working a women's 12-step group for my hurts, habits and hang-ups. I am currently working on my inventory and am finding out who and why "I am" the way I am. I have also come out of the fog of self-medication (drinking) - 8 days clean today. It's all a process and unfortunately (or not), takes time. I'm in the process of healing as are all of us that frequent this site, all at different stages of the process. God Bless Us All on the journey to recovery, it's not a destination.
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| Reason |
Re: How to support an addict without
sounding sorry for him? My husband never wanted to be viewed as 'weak'. He's now whipped, and seems to be a lot more pleasant! *laughs* Great line. And from a newlywed!
You don't waste any time
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| Barncats7 |
Re: i am trying to figure that out
I think I should add that my husband is not in recovery and continues to think that meth is not a problem. I've given him to God -
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| Juliett55 |
what to do Thank you Reason and Barncats7. This is so helpful. I thought of making a list of his great things, his birthday is next week. But may be I should wait a little; he is in a critical period right now and certainly hates himself. He is very smart and will figure out that I'm trying to pump him up, I can see how this can backfire. I still think it's a great idea. Don't know.....confused.....because they say that in the beginning of getting them sober they need the most support, but at the same time I don't want to sound like I'm sorry for him. Sounds like a great birthday present, but will it backfire. I'm willing to learn. What to do?
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| Reason |
Re: what to do I'm curious... assuming you've asked him, what kind of things would he prefer you do during the recovery period?
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| Juliett55 |
to Reason He always tells me to take care of myself, which I try to do very hard. He doesn't ask for support very often, but sometimes calls and keeps me on the phone. I try to lead him in to talking about what he would need to talk about, and it works well. We talk about things that are very personal; the ones we don't feel comfortable talking about to others. I try to support him like that, but that is a rare occasion. I guess the dilemma is: when I write him something encouraging, some times I get an answer some times not. I often find out about how much it meant to him month later. But I also except the fact that in that time my support might have been making him feel like a looser. I very clearly see your point. You have may be saved me from doing smth. very premature (I think the idea of the list is great, it's just the timing). Addiction is cruel it will use us against the ones we love. I read your post to me over and over again. It was like reading an educational book about helping a loved one. I do have a personality that tends to want everyone to be OK, saying positive things to people is very easy for me, it's learning the other side that's hard; it's hard for me to wait while others learn their lessons on their own. I want to make it OK for them. But I'm willing to do what I need, even if it feels uncomfortable. I really think he is on the right track now and I don't want to screw it up. He takes what I say to heart and it's where I need to be careful.
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Weeping
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Re: to Reason I totally agree with the list thing. When Kyle was in rehab I'd write letters to make him not feel so homesick. One of the things I sent was a list of 100 reason why I love him. I found he mostly didn't want to talk about rehab when he already had 4 to 6 hours of therapy, he just wanted to laugh.
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| luvepiphany |
Re: to Reason Juliette, Reason has given me-us, some of the most clear and deeply thought out wisdom on the "meth addict" and I have done a lot of thinking on his posts as well. I think he has given a peak into the addict's mind that we couldn't have gotten without him being clean and thoughtful. My addict has listened to me read his parts of understanding an addict and I saw the recognition and feeling of being alike in his usually downcast eye. When I read him Sfj's and Spacemonkey's and Suze's and a few others posts, he also seems to "relate" so I think after my pseudo scientific experiments with communication with the addict in the contemplation of recovery stage, I think Reason has hit the nail on the head... I know that having people just tell you to "focus on you" and "leave them alone" doesn't quite make it in the advice department. I am finding that if I include my addict bf in my recovery as just "a small part", I feel much more complete-much more whole at the end of the day....When trying to help, support, communicate with the addict we love, it is so easy to get sucked in and down. It's like opposites of what we think are good are best. Insanity really. I often have to actively tell myself that I am sick and I don't know best-wierd how surrendering even my emotional intelligence works best to give me peace. I pray before I speak to my addict-or at least I try to remember...usually real communication is so sporadic and I swear the meth demon enemy controls the timing. .keeps me waiting until I just want to scream...then sometimes I wonder if it's the angels preventing me from saying things that should be left unsaid. If I give my feelings to God, then He can be responsible for passing them on....I try to stop trying. Reason put that into words much better for me. I have seen the opposite response from what I thought I would get from my many attempts at "building up the addict who is still using"-Oh my gosh! Being kind and positive and complimenting has seemed to chase the guy away-even down to the simplest things seem to evoke shame and guilt in him-Yes, it's STUPID! but so is meth addiction-making a wonderful healthy meal with all the love and care of serving has gotten me 3 days of silence and hide and seek...there are sooooo many things that my guy feels pain from that he has no idea how to explain that it's impossible to even begin to interpret and it's better that I not try-for me and probably for him as well. For your peace and health, listen to your heart-intuition, if you have even an inkling that you aren't being received the way you think you should, stop and give your loving kindness back to yourself or to your group. Works for me more than I like to admit. REASON-YOU ARE THE GREATEST!
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sleepless
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Re: to Reason I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Reason, I really think you should write a book. I have printed and kept every one of your posts because they are so helpful to me as I try to find and walk the thin line that is compassion, caring and support for my addict, without stepping on either side of that line. It's difficult...When I talk to him, I don't want to sound condescending, superior or judgmental; rather, I want him to know that I still love him and respect any decision he makes whether it be to keep using an denying his use or getting help and getting clean. He has to do what works for him, just as I have to do what works for me. Right now he is in the denial state. He has never been in recovery; I don't even think he has considered it. It may never happen. But he did call while I was reading Reason's post, and, for the first time in a long time, we had a "normal" conversation, mainly talking about the fog and the special significance it has for us. But I made no suggestion that we get back together; nor did I indicate that it is over for good. The subject never even came up. We just talked... For now, I am comfortable in being a touchstone in his life. I think that's because I have finally reached a place where I am confident I will NOT draw back in. It took weeks of ignoring his calls and weeks of reading and writing the posts on this board, to reach this point. I have to keep reminding myself that letting go, and finding the appropriate way to do so (i.e., the way that works the best for ME), is really a process and not an event (my new mantra), and as individual as each of us. Anyway Reason, please write a book! Love, Sleepless
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| Juliett55 |
love it I love all of you guy's posts. It really puts a different light and reflection on a difficult dilemma of how to support an addict that hates himself at the moment. Reason's post was like thunder and lightning, was exactly what I needed. That's what I call God-sent. Prayers for all.
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| luvepiphany |
Re: love it Reason, did you know that God was using you a lot lately? just wondering..... Have you been eating something different lately?? Praying? Getting out into nature? Are you in love or something-with someone other than yourself? Just wondering and want you to know that you are very special to many-uh oh, that won't make you relapse or something...ok, scratch all that. thanks |
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