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loverofa methaddict |
Stages of Stimulant Recovery
I copied this paper when I first started dating my addict. When he was fighting so hard to stay clean. It helped me as a loved one know what was up ahead for his recovery. I looked at it daily. Stages of Stimulant Recovery In your recovery, it's helpful to have some idea of what to expect during the process. Most users experience five distinct stages of recovery. Each stage is linked to some of the changes you must go through as your body repairs itself from the effect of these powerful drugs. Each stage also has its challenges that call for specific actions. You may find it helpful to mark these stages on a calendar, you can anticipate changes in how you feel physically and emotionally. 0-15 days WITHDRAWAL STAGE Problem mostly physical Physical health returning Emotional
Issues emerge Address psychological issues Long-term recovery maintenance
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| Sfj |
Caution I think one should be very careful about embracing the ideas listed above. VERY CAREFUL. They apply in a few situations, but not all by any means. Some of the phrases are quite misleading,
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| danimal55 |
Re: Caution Got to wonder then why this is being handed out at an IOP treatment program
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loverofa methaddict |
Re: Caution You are both right. This is only a supplement. SFJ/KCI/suzette's site also has been detrimental in knowing what steps it takes to stay clean/what to expect. Every person is different, but it gives me hope and still does, that some day my lover will come back to me, emotionally. My counselor told me last week that it might take three years after using before my lover is back to "normal". I hold on to the hope that in the long run I will still be the one he wants. At this point lack of communication is the most staining. The counselor also stated this is very normal for recovering addict to close off. Knowing information is better than running around "crazy" thinking that you are the only one that is going through this turmoil. Thank you for your insight |
| luvepiphany |
Re: Caution You know....from a few months of reading posts here of present and past recovery experiences, it seems that "real" people do tend to follow that pattern-generally-in their postings about feelings going through it now and memories of the past...It kind of seems that a bunch of recovering addicts might have gotten together and made up that list and some counselor edited and condensed it to be a general description. Unfortunately, "Expectations are Premeditated Resentments" kind of bums the whole thing out and I see where Sfj suggests being very careful-he probably sees a lot more of the sad stories than we ever imagined.
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| Sfj |
Re: Caution The book, "Clinical Work With Substance Abusing Clients" Second edition by Shulamith Lala Ashenberg Straussner Chapter 10 Page 228 Has pretty much the same layout. Putting recovering stimulant addicts into stereotyped boxes with that much confinement just seems too dogmatic and confining in my opinion. The model was developed for cocaine users and transferred to meth users. (not a good move) And mind you, it is just my personal opinion.
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| danimal55 |
Re: Caution TY sfj. Gotta agree...cocaine and meth ARE worlds apart. This addict walked away from an 8-ball a day coke habit in the 80's and never looked back [no relapse]. In retrospect, the stages of withdrawal were nothing like meth withdrawals, not even close. By any measure...meth IS unique! Thanks for your wise perspective
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| imlostinky |
Re: Caution Kell I believe posted this last year when I had first came on board. I found this guide to be closer to what really occurred. Everyone is different though and there is no blueprint - Quote: |
| Penel0pe |
Re: Caution Quote: I got to tell you - I am coming up on 3 years - as long as I make it to January 18th, that is - and I am JUST starting to feel NORMAL. I am FINALLY feeling like the endless fatigue is starting to lift. My moods are still a bit unstable - but much improved - more REAL. I don't need to take a nap every day - that just happened over the past month or two (But I had surgery and stuff too - so that was a bit of a setback.) My recovery from meth can in NO WAY be broken down into "weeks." NO WAY. The first YEAR was spent focused on just staying clean, the next year was spent on starting to put my life back in order, and this past 10 months has been spent on experiencing life on life's terms - the pink cloud you hear about in recovery turned a little grey, and I had to learn a lot about myself, how I deal with my own emotions (I found out I'm not that good at it,) and how I allow other people to influence my behavior, emotions, and thinking. My physical health is still a work in progress - I am happy to say that the combination of surgery, being tortured by a very nice physical therapist named David, and medication, I am FINALLY coming around the corner! I see a light at the end of the tunnel regarding my physical condition - I think I may actually be WELL here pretty soon! My recovery from meth has been a work in progress, measured in YEARS, not days, weeks, or months. I did use for a very long time, I am in my 40's, and so these things do make my recovery much different than someone who used for a few years, who is younger, who has no health problems, etc. I agree with SFJ wholeheartedly on this one. HAVE NO EXPECTATIONS - don't use a "Chart" to measure anyone's recovery by - you may find yourself disappointed. Quote: I remember the last day I used Cocaine -
it was December 23, 1994. I never looked back. I remember
cocaine withdrawal - one night of good sleep, breakfast, and a
cup of coffee pretty much had me covered.
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| Sfj |
Re: Caution Again, remember, The original version of the "chart" listed above was developed as a result of talking to a few cocaine users. How appropriate is that?
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| jes78 |
Re: Caution I AM PRETTY OFFENDED, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHAT THE DRUG IS, ADDICTION IS ADDICTION. BY THE WAY, AN 8 BALL IS NOT MUCH COKE. ACTUALLY, IM NOT GOING TO EVEN GO THERE, I LEARNED IN NA IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE USED OR HOW MUCH WE USED, BUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO CHANGE IT. I KNOW A LOT OF US THINK WE DID THE MOST DRUGS, OR THE WORST DRUGS, TO ME THAT'S JUST GLAMORIZING THE USE ALTOGETHER, BEING PROUD OF IT. BUT I THINK MY RECOVERY IS JUST AS GOOD AS THE PERSON RECOVERING FROM POT, METH, COKE, HEROIN. OUR USE IS NOT WHAT BRINGS US TOGETHER, OUR RECOVERY DOES. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK NO MATTER MY DRUG OF CHOICE, ID BE HERE TODAY. I DON'T MEAN TO GET ANGRY, BUT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT DRUGS LOSE EVERYTHING, ALL DRUGS SUCK, PERIOD!!!
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| Sfj |
Re: Caution To jes78, It's ok if you're offended if it makes you feel any better. However, your feelings are for you to deal with and you have to own them yourself. I apologize if I offended you, it was not and is not my intention. Shouting might make you feel better, but it makes it more difficult to read. I've been to many 12 step meetings over the years. Thousands. And most of the slogans I agree with and some I don't. That is my choice, just like it is your choice to believe in them. I believe that saying all drugs are the same is one of the biggest problems we have. People who believe that are likely to tell that to kids, and then when the kids experiment, which is normal for kids to do, they find that parents, teachers, counselors and well-meaning adults have lied to them. Once you've told a lie to a kid, do you think he'll believe you anymore? Not likely. The notion that addiction is addiction is good only for English language synonyms. Is a gambling addiction the same as a cigarette addiction? Is a person who smokes pot habitually going to have the same problems at a compulsive shoplifter? Even heroin addicts have a complete, unique and different set of problems than meth addicts. The medical indications alone are vastly different. If a doctor were to treat a meth addict and a heroin addict the same way, he could easily be sued for malpractice or worse. There are many more examples but I don't need to go any further. If NA works for all of your needs ? fine ? keep going to NA. Also, may I suggest being open-minded enough to look beyond NA? I go to 12-step meetings probably as much as anyone on this forum. I have a sponsor , I worked the steps, perform service and serve on committees. In other words, I really like the ideas of 12-step. But I also realize that there is much more than just a spiritual side of life and recovery. There are also genuine concerns about medical needs, psychological needs, financial needs, relationship needs, and many other needs that recovering substance abusers need to deal with. 12-step is a spiritual program. Gambler's Anonymous and Sex Addicts Anonymous use the exact same 12-steps that we do. The solution is the same. The path we took to get the help we seek, the problems, are entirely different. Just my opinion. Sfj
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| jes78 |
Re: Caution thanks for letting me know i had caps on, im pretty computer illiterate, i wasn't trying to shout. i do agree w/ you. the solution is the same. my reply was to someone, a few, who spoke of walking away from coke and i received the message that coke is easy to get off, but not meth. to me, that says that one drug is easier to get off. if i go w/ that, i can come to the conclusion that my recovery isn't as good as someone who is recovering from meth. and i dont believe that. i lived in Italy, England, Belgium and America and i have seen drugs, all types, tear apart families. i like to believe if i had been on meth instead of crack and heroin id still be clean.
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| jes78 |
Re: Caution i think ive overreacted, a very smart person has helped me see that. im sorry, everyone. i think i may have interpreted a different message as was meant.
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| guestwho |
Re: Caution It's all good Jes. You are forgiven.
No doubt you would still be clean. You got
recovery going on like a pot of neck bones.
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| le grumps |
Re: Caution jes78, The beauty of this board is that there are a lot of different opinions and experiences that help up put together a complete picture and perspective on addiction. No harm done! I too found that chart to be problematic. Not so much on the beginning stages, but on the later ones. The "wall" has lasted well over 18 months for me. Maybe its because I am not completely sober, but even when I was completely sober I seemed to be really stuck, behind, able to understand the principles of recovery, but barely able to "feel" them. Sure a drug is a drug, and just like addictions transcend drugs, food, sex, internet, starvation, gambling, etc., the behavior modification is really important. But helping people transition into a sober life, especially in terms of detox, does require understanding the drug you are dealing with. Good luck to everyone.
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| Penel0pe |
Re: Caution Quote: I walked away from coke with an eight ball
of meth in my pocket, all proud that I had gotten myself
"Clean." |
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