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Meth verses Ecstasy


sabino1 Meth vs Ecstasy
My husband tells me these 2 drugs have the same effects on the human brain and body. I did X over 10 years ago and it was not addictive at all. I feel like he is trying to downplay his meth use by comparing it to X.

What do you think?
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Hemet
chik
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
let me clairify something before I speak....

I DONT THINK ANY DRUG IS GOOD

X is a totally different drug...chemical making and all

people claim x is cut with heroin, speed, coke...pcp...I have never done research. I would disagree.

most people who use X, which I did for years, find another subsitution for that eurphoric feeling...that is where meth comes to play. I am thinking it probably effects the brain chemistry the same...because I have done meth and felt almost the same as I did on a X pill...that is with ICE(clarify).

I do know A LOT OF my friends either went to ICE or Heroin.

I went to both.
Loraura Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
X acts mainly on Seratonin and on different parts of the brain than Meth. Meth effects mainly dopamine.

They are both CNS stimulants, but they are not the same in chemical compound nor reaction.
Hemet
chik
 
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
interesting....how can you get the same feeling effect..eurphoria lor...?
clean
sober
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
heck i got the eurphoric feeling once in a little town called hemet,this hamburger joint had what they called a collosial buger,think it was steves burger.sorry nothing to do with x or meth,seen the name and made me remember.
Been
There 1
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Ecstasy is made with meth and chemical variations of mescaline. MDMA - 3-4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine.

In the 70’s a popular drug was
MDA 3-4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine also known as STP (Serenity, Tranquility, and Peace.) STP was very popular, and the true STP was DOM 2,5- dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine. Most people gave MDA and called it STP, then started giving more dangerous combos of drugs and calling them STP, so it lost its popularity for awhile. Now we have Ecstasy with the same high as MDA from the 70. Some pills of X can have more Meth so are “Speedy”, and some pills have more of the Mescaline so are “Smacky”. I would have to say meth is way more intense and lots of addicts would call ecstasy a high school or kiddy drug. Yes he is trying to down play his use, who cares what the drug is if the symptoms and consequences of his use hurt others so much. Good Luck.

ALPHABET (AND CHEMICAL) SOUP

Most amphetamines and their derivatives are simple drugs that are relatively easy to manufacture, even in a rudimentary home laboratory. The drugs differ from one another in their potency, speed of onset, duration of action and their capacity to modify mood with or without producing overt hallucinations. Because of their relation to the well-known drug mescaline, the potency of these new variants is often described in mescaline units.
Very few of these drugs are in popular use, and some are very toxic.
PMA, for example, was often passed off as MDA between 1972 and 1973, but caused a dangerous rise in blood pressure and temperature and could result in convulsions. The drug caused a number of deaths in the U.S., and ten fatalities in Australia before it passed out of use. In 2000, it resurfaced in Canada labeled
as Ecstasy. When two young men in Toronto died after taking it, Health Canada declared PMA one of the most dangerous hallucinogens in the world.

Basic facts about drugs:
www.acde.org/common/Contents.htm
clean
sober
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
heck i thought mesceline was from peyote
Loraura Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
There's no meth in Ecstasy. Two completely different chemical compounds. Unless it's laced with the chemical compound methamphetamine it does not contain methamphetamine. Just because the chemical compound starts with the prefic "Meth" or "Methyl" does not mean that there is methamphetamine in it.

The chemical compound structure of any drug is what drives it's action in the brain.
Sfj
 
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Beware of Methodists, they congregate in buildings with huge crosses on the doorway.

I understand that even the cows are passing gas, trying to pollute and corrupt us all with methane gas.

Now the term "speed" has some more complexity. Even the race car drivers are using Methanol instead of gasloline, at Sprint car races, Speedway Motorcycles etc.

Even our methods of teaching in schools are becoming suspect.

Never could trust a recovering heroin junkie hanging out at the Methadone clinic.

So, what's the point you may ask?

Just because a word is part of another word does not indicate a particular relationship.
Been
There 1
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Yes there is. Plus ask the addict it has the same euphoric feeling of happy ness, dry mouth, and sexual pleasure at times when you feel speedy then you roll into a relaxed no worry smacky feel. This is why they call it rolls. This is also why some users will mix meth and heroin to get the intense feeling or the rolls but they call that the Zip. The heroin puts you way down then the math ZIPS you back into consciousness. Personally have done both Meth ant Ecstasy, they are both club drugs and I promise they both are speedy. Good Luck.

MDA 3-4-Methylenedioxy amphetamine

MDMA - 3-4-Methylenedioxy methamphetamine.

Dopamine and Ecstasy:
www.nel.edu/23_3/NEL23030...enburg.htm
clean
sober
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
but they are, the cows are trying to blow us up with methane gases from all the decomposed grasses . still think mescaline is organic from peyote buttons.
eyes
open83
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
although Ecstasy was based on MDMA which is a METH based drug..Very minimal,almost no Ecstasy pills are MDMA based anymore...they base them on everything from coke to smack to K....its very hard to find an MDMA based pill...
AS far as Ecstasy having the same effect as meth..no way no how...totally different...
Loraura
 
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Been There 1 -- I never said they weren't similar. Infact I said that they were both CNS stimulants.

But I promise you, they are not the same chemical compound.

www.erowid.org/chemicals/...shtml#chem
Quote:
MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine), most commonly known today by the street name ecstasy, is a synthetic entactogen of the phenethylamine family whose primary effect is to stimulate the secretion of and inhibit the re-uptake of large amounts of serotonin as well as dopamine and noradrenaline in the brain, causing a general sense of openness, empathy, energy, euphoria, and well-being. Tactile sensations are enhanced for some users, making general physical contact with others more pleasurable; but, contrary to popular mythology it generally does not have aphrodisiac effects. Its ability to facilitate self-examination with reduced fear has proven useful in some therapeutic settings, leading to its 2001 approval by the United States FDA for testing in patients with post-traumatic stress disorder.

Acute dehydration is a risk among users who are highly physically active and forget to drink water, as the drug may mask one's normal sense of exhaustion and thirst. Also the opposite, "water intoxication" resulting in acute hyponatremia has been reported. By far the biggest danger comes from the fact that other, more dangerous chemicals (such as PMA, DXM or methamphetamine) are either added to ecstasy tablets, or more often simply sold as ecstasy. Long-term effects in humans are largely unknown and the subject of much controversy —particularly with regard to the risks of severe long-term depression as a result of a reduction in the natural production of serotonin.
Two Different Chemicals.

Only way one can contain the other if if the substance used contains BOTH chemicals.
Sfj Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Loraura,
Please correct me if I'm wrong,

but, it is my understanding that methamphetamine contains ONLY carbon, hydrogen and nitrogen atoms. (and absolutely nothing else)

Is that true?

What about MDMA? Another question?

Please show evidence or reference concerning mescaline and mdma. ( Been There 1 )

Mescaline is the primary active chemical in the peyote cactus. Right?
clean
sober
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
i'm a little rusty here but you can remove the nitrogen, replace with oxygen and come up with something more useful ethanol. C2H6O,now is that right? now this is not illegal.
Loraura Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
SFJ,

Meth is: C10 H15 N

Carbon, Hydrogen and Nitrogen only.

You are correct.

MDMA is C11 H15 N O2

One extra carbon molecule, 2 extra oxygen molecules.
Loraura Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Quote:
Mescaline or 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine is a psychedelic hallucinogenic drug and entheogen of the phenethylamine family. It is either synthesized (as mescaline sulfate) or extracted from the peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii), the San Pedro cactus (Echinopsis pachanoi), or the Peruvian Torch cactus (Echinopsis peruviana). It is also found in a number of other members of the Cactaceae.

The use of extract from peyote in Native American religious ceremonies has been noted since the earliest European contact, notably by the Huichols in Mexico. It was first isolated and identified in 1897 by the German Arthur Heffter and first synthesized in 1919. The effective human dosage is 200–400 milligrams (3.75 mg/kg), with the effects lasting for up to twelve hours. It is not physically addictive. In the US it was made illegal in 1970 by the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act. It was prohibited internationally by the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances[1] and is categorised as a Schedule I hallucinogen by the CSA. Users typically experience visual hallucinations and radically altered states of consciousness, often experienced as pleasurable and illuminating but occasionally as accompanied by feelings of anxiety or revulsion.
Been
There 1
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Yes active ingredient in Peyote is mescaline:
www.drugeducation.net/mescaline.htm

DOB, 2C-B / NEXUS, & DOM this site first paragraph will tell the relation to mescaline and other type of club drugs/love drugs like MDMA/MDA/DOB.
www.streetdrugs.org/dobetal.htm

My first post also showed some drugs and there names and Mescaline units of potency (although it is a bit out of alinment).
I am no expert but I though that in MDA The A was for Amphetamines and in MDMA the MA stood for Methamphetamines. What does the MA stand for? Do not know do not really care, addiction is more about the void or the escape of the person and not the drug it self. Good Luck.
Sfj Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Yeah,

That's reasonable.

You say that

Quote:


Do not know do not really care, addiction is more about the void or the escape of the person and not the drug it self

And on the other hand, there are some of us who do care.

If you really don't care, why do you post such things?
I'm not trying to chide you, but I'm wondering, if we post things, shouldn't they be honest or factual.

I also care about the psychological and emotional parts, but those need the support of the science also.

Now then, I admit I am often as capable of error as anyone and I often apologize when wrong. I'm trying to learn to more kindness also.

Just trying to keep the peace and post correct info together. (not always easy)

jacks
mom
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
The kids Jacklyn was hanging with recenlty started to mix X with Meth.

Needless to say that's when the 'adult-ish' parties started.

How dangerous would this be?
Sfj Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
More dangerous than you can imagine.

EX - treme - Lee Dangerous.
Been
There 1
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
I thought what I posted was factual. MDMA I thought had meth in it; I guess I was wrong I will live. The original post asked what we think about her husband telling her meth and ecstasy having the same effect. I should have said they are both stimulants so they do but meth is way more intense. I did say it had meth in it and I thought it was right, so I did not mean to lie. I saying I do not care is just my anger at the addicts in my life. To me the addiction is still more about the numbing of the addicts pain and not so much the drug. So I said I don’t really care because I do not care what the addicts precious choice of drug is, I just feel the harm it causes others. Have to go you can yell at me tomorrow. Never upset with you SFJ I appreciate everything you do and I hope you never change. Good Luck.
forget
suzette
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
My description is..

Ecstasy is nothing like meth for me....
...I tried it 3 times, each time everyone jumped around saying it was more fun than speed...

each time,

I felt it was a speed ball (with not enough speed and too much herion) with a vauge hallucinagenic quality that I found anti climactic, kinda leaning forward, ready, and nothing happened.

like a bum fire cracker.

I consider it the drug for people who are scared of acid and speed and herion....but wanna try it anyway.

I projectile vomited two of three times I took it, because of the herion.

yuck!

I give extasy a 1 ...I'd do it if my legs were crushed and I was waiting for help...maybe.

speed is speed!...big difference.

but everyone different.
DCJP
 
Re: Meth vs Ecstasy
Quote:
I feel like he is trying to downplay his meth use by comparing it to X.

To answer the original post... While Ecstasy does not seem to get the negative public attention that meth is now getting - it is still a very dangerous substance. Meth tends to hook into the human reward system better than Ecstasy and is thus generally considered more addictive. I guess the simplest solution is ask him to stop using ALL mind altering substances even for a week and see how he does - then ask him how addictive he thinks whatever substance he has used is?

Most users do not realize they are addicted until they try to stop or control their use. If you do not believe this just try to eliminate all caffeine from your diet (coffee, teas, colas, chocolate, medicines with caffeine, etc.). Any headaches, tremors, irritability, muscle twitches?

Both Ecstasy and Meth are dangerous, and harmful to the human brain. Several recent studies are finding out that Ecstasy is not quite as harmless as was first thought... (Meth we KNOW is harmful to the buman brain.)

The Vancouver RCMP analyzes confiscated drug samples from across Western Canada. Their results are that 70% of what is sold as Ecstasy (pills) contains traces of meth and other drugs as well.

Someone mentioned that some capsules are more speedy than others - this is definitely true from my conversations with a variety of dealers. Most will tell you that their customers do NOT WANT just Ecstasy - they want something more speedy (meth). Most dealers are happy to comply, as they feel that meth is indeed more addictive - creating steady or daily customers as opposed to weekend ravers (if there is such a thing anymore).

See also:

What makes meth more addictive?


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